The Murder Farm: Did Belle Gunness, America's Most Notorious Widow, Vanish to Kill Again?
We are traveling back to the early 1900s to meet one of the most prolific and cold-blooded female serial killers in American history: Belle Gunness. A seemingly respectable widow in La Porte, Indiana, Belle used lonely hearts ads to lure wealthy, unattached men to her farm, promising love and companionship.
The Black Widow's Trap: Belle, a physically large and imposing woman, developed a terrifying system. She would correspond with single men, convince them to sell their property and bring their life savings to her farm, and then murder them—often with a meat cleaver—before feeding their bodies to her hogs or burying them in her property's muddy slough.
The Money Trail: The luring of these victims was purely for financial gain. Belle used insurance fraud, pension schemes, and the men's life savings to sustain her operations, leading to a body count that may have reached over 40 people.
The Farmhouse Inferno: In 1908, Belle's farmhouse mysteriously burned to the ground. Inside, authorities found four bodies: Belle's three children and one headless female torso, initially believed to be Belle herself.
The Shocking Discovery: The fire prompted a farmhand to reveal his suspicions, leading authorities to dig up the property. They soon uncovered the remains of over a dozen victims, officially turning the farm into a grim scene known as the "Murder Farm."
Join us as we explore the central and chilling mystery: The headless body in the fire was never definitively identified as Belle. Did the Black Widow stage her own death to escape prosecution and vanish to kill again?
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[00:00:00] This week we're heading back to the early 19 hundreds to meet Belle Gunness, a seemingly respectable Indiana widow with a dark side and a very well fed hog pen Bell used lonely hearts ads to lure wealthy unattached men to her farm, promising love and companionship. But delivering something far more sinister.
When bodies began turning up and her farmhouse mysteriously burned to the ground, the biggest question became, did Belle die in that fire or did she vanish to kill again? It's a story of romance scams, insurance fraud, and one of the most infamous unsolved mysteries in American true crime.
Hey guys, and welcome to the Moms and Mysteries podcast. A True Crime Podcast featuring myself, Mandy, and my dear friend Melissa. Hi Melissa. Hi Mandy. How are you? I am doing wonderful. My kids started school this week. I feel. Yeah, like, I mean, the sun is actually legitimately shining, but it [00:01:00] also feels like it's shining on my heart because Wow.
I'm home by myself for the first time in several months. There's just something about being home alone. Honestly, just no one to, no one to talk to you. I know, literally that sounds bad, but I'm like, don't ask me a question. Like I can just walk from room to room and you know, live my life and nobody's asking for what's for dinner or anything else.
So, yeah. No, that's very nice. That's the dream. Um, I hope too, to reach that. Next week. I'm excited for mine to go back and, uh, get this. I'm too, yeah, get fall coming in, please. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Well, you know, we have still a little ways to go for that down here, but in theory, in theory, in theory falls on the way.
Yes. Right. Which I, I don't mind the theory of fall, to tell you the truth. I will still wear my sweaters in September and just be sweating. I just took my sweatshirt off. I'll keep doing it. Okay, Melissa, so we're getting into the story for this week. This one is really something. So [00:02:00] let's start off by picturing this.
It's 1905. You're a Norwegian Bachelor in your forties. I know that might be hard for you to imagine yourself as, I love that. Just try the picture I'm having to make like, I'm like, yeah, no, I got it. I'm there. Totally. Yeah, just try. So you are this. 40 something. Norwegian Bachelor, living on a small farm in Minnesota.
You've worked your whole life. You've got a really modest nest egg saved up, and maybe you're ready for love. Maybe marriage, that companionship thing that everyone really, really wants. So you open your local Norwegian language paper, because I didn't realize that there was a Norwegian language, but there is.
And you see a personal ad that reads. Calmly widow who owns a large farm in one of the finest districts in LaPorte County, Indiana desires to make the acquaintance of a gentleman equally well provided with view of joining fortunes. No triers need apply. Okay. Uh, color. Be surprised that [00:03:00] trifling, trifling.
Trifling. I know. Trier. I didn't realize that was a word. Tri back in 1905. Oh, I immediately heard no scrubs in my head when I read that. Hundred percent. Um, yeah. No scrubs, no tris. I get it. So you're probably thinking, this woman, she's got land, she wants to join fortunes, and she says she's no trier. So you're like, Hey, this could be the ne the love of my life.
And you start writing to her. She writes back, and soon you're falling in love. Through the mail, and I imagine it was snail mail for sure, but it probably was even slower than a snail back then. Yeah. So now this lady's calling you, my Andrew, and telling you that her heart beats in wild rapture for you, and then she invites you to her farm.
She says, Hey, bring your savings, bring literally everything you have, bring your heart, and most importantly, come prepared to stay for the rest of your life. Okay. I gotta tell [00:04:00] you, if that's not the 1905 version of, I just wired him $3,000 and now he's not answering my dms, I will never, not like partially love when people say I got scammed by like.
Dr. Dre or something, and they say, you know, I wrote him. And you see the messages between that person, like on Instagram and somebody that says, Dr. Dre, it's like, hi, I'm in your town. My car just broke down. Or our tour bus broke down. Can you gimme $5,000? I'll be forever grateful. And the person's like, sure.
I, I will never understand. Oh, it, it didn't take much communication back and forth. That's what I'm getting at. It's just like, okay. And so with this, it's like, Hey, I have a lot of money. If you wanna bring some of yours, we can be really rich together. Don't ask any other questions. But unfortunately, this wasn't a scam that stopped at stolen money because Andrew Hegelian really did go to that Indiana farm, and he really did stay forever because Bell Gunni killed him, chopped him into pieces, and buried him in [00:05:00] her hog pen.
This week's case, as Mandy was saying, is one of the most infamous, bizarre, and disturbingly well-documented in early American true crime Bell Guinness born. I'm only gonna say this once. Brynn Hill Pal's daughter stir Seth. Hopefully I edit that good where it sounds like I said it only one time and didn't chop it up, but she may have murdered as many as 40 people in the span of two decades.
I have a question. Do you remember long time ago, years and years ago, we learned that. Thought it, what country did we learn this from? I believe that this middle name means that her father's name was Paul. Am I daughter on the right track? Mm-hmm. And they used to name every, everyone who's born. Is it in Sweden?
I couldn't remember what country. I thought it was Sweden. It might be, but I, it could have been, I'm not sure what country. We had first heard about this, and I'm not sure if, if this is common in more than one country, but that Paul's daughter, um, middle name, basically everybody would get that based on whatever your father's name.
I'm [00:06:00] like, that was your middle name. No matter what. No matter what. Like that's what your middle name is. It's like the one fun fact I have, because I'll like randomly say that to my kids, like, oh, your name could have been, you know, whatever daughter. And they're like, we've told us this a thousand times. I wish you shout.
Please stop. But I'm so fascinated by it, and I do know this. Somebody else comes up in this story who has a name that's very similar and I think it's the same idea. So Bell used lonely hard ads to lure men to her farm. She killed them. Spared them and went right on to place more ads. She ramble, became known as a murder farm, and when it all started to unravel, she faked her own death in the middle of the night.
And she may have escaped justice forever, but let's rewind because of course Bell didn't just wake up one day and start butchering suitors. She had what I will. Politely call a slow and steady ramp up to this murder mayhem story. Belle was born in 1859 in sbu, Norway. She was the youngest of [00:07:00] eight children in a tenant farming family, so this is very rural, very poor, and very religious.
At 14, she was confirmed in the Church of Norway, and by the time she was 22, she had made her way to the United States and settled in Chicago with her sister Nellie. So I just have to say this is a woman who really knew how to rebrand. She completely ditched her name and she just became Bell and she worked as a domestic servant and eventually landed herself a husband, and his name was Mads Sorenson, which I think, like you were saying, is from.
His father's name being something related to that. I think that's fascinating and interesting. But I also feel like it would get confusing in like a whole society where everyone, yeah, because I surely there's more than one Paul, right? So there's gonna be more than one person with the middle name, like Paul's daughter.
But I'm like, but which Paul like, you know what I mean? Like, but then their last name is different, right? Or am I getting it confused? No, I think you're right. Surely it is. Hey, [00:08:00] chat. Let us know in the, yeah, wherever you're listening to this, if that's how it works. Yeah, so of course this poor guy never saw it coming, you know, never saw what Bell was up to.
They opened a candy store and soon that candy store mysteriously burned down. Then their house also burned down, and both times Bell collected the insurance money. Then two of the couple's children died of what Bell claimed was inflammation of the large intestine, which sounds really vague and kind of suspicious in a way, but it might also sound incredibly profitable because she actually had life insurance policies on both of these children.
That's a sentence you really, truly hate to hear. But Belle, who Neighbor said, never even looked pregnant, somehow had two babies who died, both conveniently insured, and no one in Chicago thought that maybe something was up. And if that's not enough, on July 30th, 1900, her husband Mads also died. Suddenly, [00:09:00] bell told people he had a terrible headache, so she gave him some kind of powder and then found him dead shortly afterward.
And you'll never guess what day it is. And I actually could not believe this, but maybe you guys will. It was the one day when both of his life insurance policies overlapped. So she had this like 24 hour window. If he died, she would get both life insurance policies. That's not weird. No, not at all. She collected $5,000, which was a fortune at the time, and she used it to buy a pig farm in LaPorte, Indiana.
And that, my friends, is when Belle really started living her villain origin story. Because LaPorte wasn't just a new chapter. It was where she evolved into what the papers would later call the mistress of murder farms. In 1902, bell married her second husband, Peter Gunni, and within a week of the wedding, his young daughter from a previous marriage died while she was actually in Bell's Care, which is horrifying.
Yeah. Eight months after that, [00:10:00] Peter himself also died. Bell told everyone that he was reaching for something on a high shelf when a meat grinder fell on his head. Did it just jump off the shelf and fall? Also, why would you keep a meat grinder that high up? It just seems like you're gonna like lose a toenail or something.
Something's gonna happen. Something, yes. I really always do try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but if my friend said her second husband died from like a falling meat grinder, I would be asking some questions, especially knowing how many other people this woman knows who have passed away. Right.
The coroner didn't buy the story though, and they convened a coroner's jury, but nothing ever came of it. So Bell ended up collecting another life insurance payout for $3,000 and she kept on living her church going small town widow life. Meanwhile, the house was full of trunks that didn't belong to her, and the hog pen was full of.
I'm pretty sure you can guess what it was full of. [00:11:00] Yeah. So between 1905 and 1908, bell began placing these lonely hearts ads, mostly in Norwegian language papers. She targeted middle aged men with no families at guys who had farms cash savings, and not a lot of close ties. She'd also correspond with them for weeks and sometimes months, building up trust and affection.
Her letters were wild. She told one Man, my heart beats in wild rapture for you. My Andrew, I love you. Come prepare to stay forever, pass. You don't know me, you don't want me that bad, and when you meet me, you'll want me less. So the thing is though, he did leave and he did go to visit her. A lot of these men did, and every single one of them vanished.
And Bell would just tell neighbors that they had left or gone back home. But their trunk stayed. And we have more to get into after a quick break to hear word from this week's sponsors. So before the break, we were just getting into the story of Belle Gunness, who was a woman, I guess you could call her.[00:12:00]
A bachelorette of some sort, but she was placing these romantic ads in Norwegian papers looking for a love match to also share her possible wealth and fortune with Right? Only she was actually luring them to their deaths. But we're gonna get into a little bit more about that right now. So let's talk about this man that Bell hooked up with named Andrew.
He was the man who finally tragically brought this entire thing crashing down. So Andrew was a farmer from South Dakota and he saw Bell's ad in a Minneapolis newspaper and started corresponding with her. Over time, the letters back and forth with each other turned romantic. And Bell told him that she was ready for marriage and urged him to come to Indiana.
Of course, not empty handed, but in fact with his hands full of all his money. And she even told him not to tell anyone where he was going, which. I get it bell, but [00:13:00] like it does feel like a red flag. But we know way more today. He, this person's just coming with like hubba hubba, he's just in love, and it's like, well, of course I'm gonna live there.
Why would I leave my money at home? I've gotta treat my princess. Well, course right. But yeah, just reading it out, you're like, what? No, right. Don't do this. Right. Of course. But yeah, like so many others, Andrew did show up in LaPorte on January 3rd, 1908 with his life savings in hand, and he was never seen again.
Bell later told his brother that Andrew had left the farm in the middle of the night. Basically saying he ghosted her, you know, early 19 hundreds style, but Andrew's brother wasn't buying it. He ended up finding the letters that Bell had sent to Andrew and realized that something was actually very, very wrong.
So he decided to make the trip to LaPorte himself. And thank goodness he did because Andrew's brother didn't just show up and go home. He actually started asking questions. He pushed the sheriff. He found Roy Laier Bell's, [00:14:00] former hired hand, and sometimes lover, who had recently been fired in favor of the new man that Bell was bringing around.
So Ray had already been arrested a few times for trespassing and making a scene at Bell's House. This guy was clearly spiraling, and when Andrew's brother started digging into his brother's disappearance, Ray became a key piece in the puzzle. It was Andrew's brother and another local man who eventually started poking around the hog pen.
They noticed soft depressions in the dirt, like maybe something had been recently buried. And when they started digging, they found a burlap sack inside it were two hands, two feet and a decapitated head, and tragically Andrew's brother was able to recognize him. That gruesome discovery was just the beginning.
Over the next few days, investigators uncovered at least 11 bodies on bell gun's property. All of them had been dismembered in the same way. They were decapitated. The arms were removed at the shoulders. [00:15:00] The legs were severed at the knees. Some had blunt force injuries to the skulls, and the bodies were wrapped in sacks or cloth, and buried in shallow graves around the hog pen, as well as under the outhouse and near the tool shed.
The thing that's so chilling about all of this is just how systematic it all was. These weren't crimes of passion at all. Bell had a whole process behind this. She would lure and manipulate these men to come to her, and she would plan and then profit off their murders. Some of the men had even made out wills in bell's favor before they died.
She was very methodical about it and very efficient, and nobody suspected anything until Andrew's brother started showing up with questions. One thing that we haven't noted yet but is important to the story is Belle actually worked for a butcher at some point. So she was very skilled and knew what she was doing, so that makes.
Her ability to do these things and to make these precision cuts and [00:16:00] stuff makes more sense. It's not just somebody just going in with, uh, no idea what's happening, but before the investigation could go much further. Everything took a horrifying turn. On April 28th, 1908, bell gun's farmhouse caught fire.
In the early morning hours when the flames were finally extinguished, the remains of four people were found in ruins. There were three children. And a headless adult woman. And of course everyone assumes it's Belle and her kids, and so the community is heartbroken. There's this woman who had just weeks before been praised for her resilience and her devotion to her kids.
She's now dead along with her three children, and people said that she died trying to save them. But that narrative really didn't last long because as investigators started looking more closely, things really weren't adding up. So for one thing, the body that they thought was Bell's was actually too small to be Bell.
Bell was a larger woman, [00:17:00] and the body that was found in the ruins was not the same size as her, and it was missing the head, which made identification a lot harder. But even just the remains themselves just didn't match the way that she was known to look. Then there was Ray Lamber who had already been arrested and charged with arson.
When he was in jail, he started talking and eventually confessed that Bell had planned everything. According to him, she had murdered another woman. This was someone that nobody would miss, and she beheaded her, dressed her in Bell's clothing, and laid her in bed beside the sleeping children. Then she set the fire and vanished into the night.
So here's my question. I don't understand why people were so quick to think this was her, seeing as this person was beheaded. Are we saying that somebody beheaded her and then set the place on fire? That feels a little, um. Strange. Yeah. Doesn't it that the kids, that was a whole separate thing, but the fact that she was [00:18:00] beheaded, I just feel like that seems you might as well cut off all of her fingerprints in 2025.
Right. You know, it's like very obvious what you're trying to do here. Um. But I guess, I mean, she was getting away with a lot, so I guess she thought she could do this as well. Yeah, for sure. And I do feel like you said before, like in 1905, people didn't have access to like the same information. I feel like there's a lot of things even in true crime now that people Right maybe wouldn't do today that they did back then because.
There, there's just a lot more ways that you can get caught today. Yeah. You know, I feel like back then maybe, maybe you could get away with a murder by simply beheading someone and not, you know, they weren't able to identify them through other means, so. Right. Who know? I don't know what it was like in 1905, and we're gonna get back into the rest of the story after one last break to hear a word from this week's sponsors.
And now back to the episode. So before the break, the police and Andrew's brother seemed to be onto Bell and she is freaking out. So they find her. House with her three children dead, which is so horrifying. And they also find a [00:19:00] headless woman in her bed, in her clothes. So obviously the idea is that Bell is this woman.
So don't go looking for Bell. You know, guys, she's, she's not here. She's gone to be with the Lord. And you know what? This whole thing actually tracks because belt does have a history of using fire as a means to an end. Remember that candy store? Burned down her home in Chicago, burned down every time she would just collect this insurance money and move on.
And of course the timing here makes so much sense because Andrew's brothers shown up. The authorities are getting involved and Bell's carefully constructed world is really falling apart. Ray, who again had worked for Bell, claimed that Bell had talked about this plan for weeks. She had told him exactly what to do and after the fire she was gone.
There appeared to be sightings of her in Chicago, in New York, even in Los Angeles, but she was never officially found. So the question becomes, did Bell Gunni actually die in that [00:20:00] fire, or did she escape and live out her life elsewhere, maybe even continuing to kill? Ray Lamphere died in prison in 1909, and at that point he was still insisting that Bell had faked her death.
And weirdly enough, when they arrested him, he was actually wearing some of the garments of two men who had disappeared. After visiting Belle, he was wearing another man's overcoat and a separate man's watch. And here's the wildest part. No one was ever charged with the murders. Bell was presumed dead. Ray was convicted of arson, not homicide, and so the case was effectively closed.
And yet this mystery has lingered for more than a century. Some researchers believe that Bell truly died in that fire, and Ray had just exaggerated or even invented his confession. But others believed that Bell staged the entire thing and escaped justice. There were whispers that she went to Chicago and lived under a new name.
Some say she moved west and kept a low profile, [00:21:00] and others think she couldn't stop and continued her killing spree elsewhere just without the farm and the hog pen. What's not in doubt is that Bell Gunness was a calculating brutal murderer. She targeted vulnerable, isolated men. She used their dreams of love and companionship to lure them to their deaths, and she did it over and over again, right under the noses of her neighbors, her church community, and even the authorities.
So let's talk about the part that really keeps me up at night, and that's just how many people actually fell victim to Bell Gunness? So officially they found the remains of at least 11 people on her property, but some estimates go as high as 40 or more, and it's really easy to see how that number could be accurate as most of her victims had no local ties.
And also, as we said, it was the early 19 hundreds. So I imagine. Not identifying victims was a lot, uh, more of a common thing back then, right? A lot of her victims were also from other states. They traveled [00:22:00] alone and they brought money and then they were buried in shallow graves or fed to hogs and a.
Really Bell's system kind of worked. She used personal ads, you know, basically doing the Tinder thing, but without any way of actually tracking what she's doing. And she's targeting men who are lonely and looking for a partner. So she built trust, she created these emotional connections, and then once she really had them hooked, she turned into a totally different person.
Just an absolute nightmare of a person, if you will. Yeah. What gets me about it is really that Belle was able to hide behind this. Image of a respectable widow. We see it all the time, but it's, it's crazy to see how even a hundred years ago people would hide behind these kind of things. She's going to church.
She hosted suitors in the parlor. She's described as being devout, hardworking, and motherly, which really freaks me out considering. One of her husbands, she may have been responsible for his baby to have died. [00:23:00] She said she had two other babies that died and then three of her children died in this fire.
So I have a hard time using the word motherly, but I think that just says how good of a pretender she really was. But she was also dragging these trunks into basements, hacking up men. And it's something that we talk about a lot, Mandy, that a lot of the times the scariest killers aren't really the ones.
That you see portrayed in movies and TV shows. Sometimes it's the ones that are neighborly and friendly and not like a recluse that you never see, so it's kind of crazy. She was able to really trick her entire town and so many men, like they really don't even have the. Correct number. They don't know because if she even picked up and did this somewhere else, who knows how many people.
Yeah. It's really wild to think about. I always think serial killer stories always fascinate me because I feel like you never truly know how many victims there were. Right. And that's always so scary. And then I always get down that thought train where you're like, not only just. [00:24:00] When you have a situation like this where you don't know how many victims a person has, but then it really does make me wonder how many people have committed a murder and have just completely gotten away with it, or like they've never been found out, or they just never were able to identify the victims, so they never were able to link it to anyone.
You know? So those kind of things definitely do make me. Just, I don't know. It freaks me out to think about that kind of stuff. For sure. Ggbs and the modern parallels really are kind of terrifying as well because you could argue that she was one of the first romance scammers and that she just took, you know, took it one or 10 steps further.
And today we talk about people getting conned outta their savings by someone they met online because it still does happen today. There are still, there's even. Recent stories that have been turned into YouTube documentaries about people who have been scammed out of large amounts of money by someone that they met online under the pretense of a romantic relationship.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. It happens all the time. Um, so Belle was really just doing the same thing only through the newspaper and. Instead of just ghosting you, she [00:25:00] buried you next to the outhouse. And the victim in these stories are often the same type of person, as we said before. They're lonely. Vulnerable, they're just isolated and want connection with another human being.
And Belle not only knew that, but she exploited it. She capitalized on it, and she actually got away with it for a long time. It wasn't really just about the money for Bell, that's another thing that gets me. She seemed to enjoy the control of it all. She had this method, she had this farm. She was just kind of bringing them in and ending them, getting their money and killing them like she was done with it.
So she looked people in the eye that really were supposed to be the person she loved or cared about, and then ended their lives, and that's just evil. Just terrible. Maybe the biggest mystery though is did she die in the fire or not, or did she just escape? And I don't know. I kind of keep going back and forth about it.
Some part of me thinks that she's way too smart and just like very manipulative, and she's just a con artist. So I think [00:26:00] maybe she did not go down in flames. But then again. It's possible that she realized that the jig was up, the game was over, and she decided to just end everything and take her kids with her.
But both versions of that are terrible to think about. Um. I don't know. I really have no clue what I actually think, but there were sightings of her for years after the fire. She was reportedly seen in Chicago and then in California there was someone who swore they saw her managing a boarding house in Mississippi at one point.
But none of those leads ever went anywhere, and honestly, I wouldn't put it past her to completely disappear and start over somewhere else under a new name. Agree. And if she did get away, she might be one of the most, I hate to use this word, but it's kind of true, successful criminals in American history.
She made money off insurance fraud. She stole life savings, and she possibly ended more lives than some of the most infamous serial killers ever recorded. And no one, not one single person was ever convicted of the murder she committed. [00:27:00] So here's where we leave it. Mandy. Was Bell just an unlucky widow, cursed by tragedy, a misfortune?
Or was she as the headlines once called her Hell's Bell, a remorseless, cold-blooded murderer hiding in plain sight? Hmm. I have, I have mixed feelings. So could it be that she set fire, she knew they were coming after her. She sets fire. Uh, cuts her own head off. I don't under, that's where I get lost. No, no.
Right. Or did Ray do that? Was Ray maybe more involved? And he did that and then it was like, but why would he cut her head off? 'cause he'd want people to know this was right, this is who did it. And she freaked out under the circumstances. Yeah. I dunno. I did think it was interesting that Andrew's brother was able to.
Turn total detective himself and to look through all these letters, find them and say, oh no, this something is really wrong. And to make that trek to go find it, because you're doing that on a hunch you're not, you don't [00:28:00] know that that's where your brother is. Um, and you don't know what awaits you when you get there.
And so it's pretty amazing to me that he like had the wherewithal to do that. And the. I don't know. And the kaons to do that. Yeah. I just don't, I mean, it's, it's crazy. I don't know, I don't have a picture of Bell in front of me, but I can already tell you right now, based on this story and what we do know about her, that she does not appear to fit the mental image that most people have of a serial killer.
I always am fascinated when stories have a serial killer that is a woman. Mm-hmm. Because it is such a rare thing that you don't really hear about that often. This is kind of, um, adjacent. It's not related to this story in any way, but something I just happened to look up earlier this week. Because I was actually reading some.
Updates on a case that you and I have been following for a while now that's gonna be going to trial next year. I was curious how many females there actually are on death row in the state of Florida, Uhhuh. 'cause this is a death penalty case that I'm talking about. So, um, I just got curious. I was like, I wonder how many there actually are and just kind [00:29:00] of like following that and so I Googled it.
Yeah. There's only one woman on death row in Florida right now. Really? Yes. And the story, um, is actually really interesting. I pulled it and marked it because I really wanna cover this. The case on the podcast, um, soon. So I, 'cause I didn't realize that we only had one here. The, there was three and then one of them passed away in prison and the other one had their, uh, sentence commuted to life in prison.
So now there's just the one woman on death row in the state of Florida, which I thought was really interesting. But it does go to show. Just how uncommon female killers even are. And then to think of like a woman being responsible for this many of like this type of death group. Yeah. Luring these victims in and you have a system about it, and it very much fits the profile for serial killing, but totally.
Her as a person does not fit the profile for a serial killer. So I find that fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. I am interested if you know, DNA and everything else, you know, if they, if somebody does 23 and Me or whatever, and you find out [00:30:00] that you were. Related to someone who had to do with this or, or Belle. We don't know what happened to her.
She could be somebody's aunt or grandma or whatever. We just don't know. I mean, she'd be really old and that would make you really old. But it could happen. It could happen. Weirder things have happened. Yeah, definitely. Alright guys. Thank you so much for listening to this Thursday's episode. That was it for this week.
We will have a new story for you next week. We'll give you a story, same time and same place. Bye bye.
